Unironically I would be literally thrilled to contribute to this brain drain. I’d drop everything and get on a plane right this very second for a chance to do a PhD in literally any other country.
If anyone is looking to fill a electrical engineering PhD position literally anywhere but America then I’m ya boy.
These are places I would consider if I were able to go back to school:
- https://www.eng.mcmaster.ca/ece/degree-options/electrical-and-computer-engineering-phd/
- https://grad.uwo.ca/admissions/programs/program.cfm?p=41
- https://uwaterloo.ca/electrical-computer-engineering/doctor-philosophy-phd
- https://www.mcgill.ca/gradapplicants/program/electrical-engineering-phd
- https://www.sgs.utoronto.ca/programs/electrical-and-computer-engineering/
I think at this point, the danger has crystallized pretty thoroughly. Even if you somehow stopped everything that was currently happening, I don’t really know why anybody would want to come here anymore for university. Getting a degree is already stressful enough without having to worry about whether or not the institution will legally be allowed to keep you enrolled for the entire duration of your program.
I don’t really know why anybody would want to come here anymore for university
I mean if my advisor can secure the funding, the two reasons I plan on doing my PhD in America are (1) I like my advisor and (2) I went to school here and I don’t like my chances of being accepted somewhere else. Like I would rather do a PhD in literally any other country.
and the job markets in the us are pretty unstable as it is, especially lot of biotech is preferentially hiring H1B visa holders anyways over citizens, if you dont have a Doctorates.
the problems at the BS/MS level is the low amount of lab experience that is given to students, and universities make it very hard to get them in general.
People move here for university at the higher end because there is no where else in the world where you will have more access to research money. Whether government or private sector. Although this may no longer be the case under Trump.
also salary is higher in the usa than anywhere else too.
College educated skilled worker. I already left. I’m not looking back. Thanks Trump for making me realize how much the US was holding me back
Any particular resources you found helpful in your move? My main concern is how to make the visa work and how to find a livable wage abroad
Not OP, but I did the same, when I first realized the US was on a slippery slope towards idiocracy (and, in fairness, I realized it three decades after many intellectuals already warned about it). In my case, I was fortunate to work for a multinational, which agreed to transfer me to a country within the EU, and to take care of the paperwork. Over a decade later, I have citizenship here, my own house, and I feel fully integrated into the local society. And I don’t need to worry about college tuition for my kids. They’ll have a choice of free education anywhere within the EU, and by the time they’re old enough, they may have access to a wide variety of educators who left he US.
I’m in a similar boat, except I’m waiting to find out if my multinational will be willing to move me. I’m the lead developer, admin, product owner, and architect for a very publicly-facing web presence for my company, so I’m hoping they’ll be willing to in order to keep me happy.
And if they won’t, I’m going to be applying for similar jobs abroad the moment I know.
It’s not just for me. My son is trans and my daughter is gay. I have to get them both out of here before the ovens start firing up.
If you get the impression that at this point I believe the U.S. is a lost cause, you’re correct. If we make it to the 2026 elections intact, the elections are valid, and Democrats sweep, I’ll be extremely surprised.
Yuuup. Trump getting elected once was the writing on the wall, I wasn’t going to wait and hope he didn’t manage to return to power. Turns out that was a great decision, the Netherlands are amazing.
Yeah I was like, “In danger of? Bro it’s already happening”.
If more of you cowards can run away that would be great. Make room for those that will fight, but please dont come back when we the people rip it all down.
You don’t need to be in the USA to fight.
The fight was won by Russian troll farms operating in Iran. https://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/07/magazine/the-agency.html
And you’re implying the people proudly turning their backs on the U.S. are going to do something to help the citizens of the U.S.?
Seems like twisted logic, to me.
TBH if the economy crashes HARD for the next 3.5 years that may help wean some MAGA away from their FOX/OAN/RT propaganda bubble
Idk, that’s certainly an optimistic view of a very bad thing happening.
It isn’t going to be just MAGA suffering, and if everyone with a brain leaves — there’s no telling what kind of system will fill the void. I think it’s unrealistic to assume these people will course correct on their own simply because bad things have happened to them.
Yes. I understand the desire for more bodies, but the world isn’t black and white, and not everyone is able to fight.
To elaborate on my own situation, my demographics make me and my community VERY vulnerable to this administration. While the desire to help each other is there, resources are slim and everyone is struggling to sort out their own survival. A lot of the community is also disabled and reliant on others.
Now that I’m out of that, I actually have the capacity to offer support. I’m still very connected to everyone I know and love back home, but now I have the backing of a new community that is very understanding of the situation and able to offer resources. I personally can offer travel advice, a place to crash temporarily, and a safe landing to anyone who decides to follow suit. We also have established safe houses along the way. Since we made the decision to leave, my partner and I have received nothing but love and support from both communities.
Not everyone is a Fighter or a Paladin. Some are better at offering support from a distance.
I do sure love it when cowards leave the country instead of remaining here to vote in their interest. To everybody patting themselves on the back for leaving America, you’re part of the fucking problem
Clearly I’d be more helpful in El Salvador
More privilege on display from the elite in American society.
And also bragging about it. Gross.
Fucking bizarre take to lob at someone fleeing a country rapidly falling to fascism and ethnic cleansing.
It’s not bizarre to shame someone for bragging about the ability to just up and leave to a country halfway across the world.
Most Americans do not have that kind of privilege. It must be nice.
It is, and I’m well aware of just how hard it is to be in my kind of position. I’m leaving very soon for a job overseas.
It took 12 years of college. It took massive debts that I spent a decade earning to pay off. It took a further 15 years of competing in academia to become a desirable candidate for the job. I’m taking a serious pay cut and spending the saving from a decade of work to make the move.
Its a privilege, but having come from a family that valued education, but had little money to help me, I kinda feel like I’ve earned it. Decades of effort on my part went into this.
You can be pissed all you want, but I’ve paid my dues and I’m spending them on a better and safer future for my children away from the US Banana Republic of Dumbfuckistan.
Ive paid my dues, fuck everyone else
Lol.
That’s what everyone who voted for Trump basically said. America was founded on this principle. You give what you get
So what would you have them do instead?
They weren’t bragging. They stated their situation and experience because it’s relevant to the article, which is about academics.
You are displaying crab bucket mentality.
Of course. We have people in government who don’t believe in germ theory. Education is extremely expensive, and if you don’t pick a “Good” major, not only are you in debt, but shamed and mocked for it, since no one “forced” you to go. Jobs that require these degrees, even doctors, are not paying enough for people to live, study, and afford food. Why would you stay?
Also educated people tend to vocally disagree with fascists, so obviously fascists wants fewer of them around.
