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cross-posted from: https://lemm.ee/post/65102495
The Israeli government’s actions in Gaza “can no longer be justified,” said German Chancellor Friedrich Merz on Monday, signalling a profound shift in tone from one of Europe’s traditionally most staunch supporters of Israel.
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They stopped being justified when they started bombing vital civil infrastructure. So basically an initial response and targeted bombing of Hamas would have been justified, but not indiscriminate bombing.
Exactly! As soon as they started bombing everything and using safe zones to group up civilians to bomb them easier, I was done listening to anyone suggesting they were jUsT dEfEnDiNg ThEmSeLvEs. You don’t bomb civilians and children and you don’t bomb the places you’ve outlined as refugee safe zones, medical units, or journalists. Bunch of fucking monsters.
They were always unjustifiable
Getting the hostages back?
I agree, getting the hostages back is essential to peace. I’m sure that was not the point you were trying to make, however.
Since 1967, between 750,000 and 1 million Palestinians have been arrested by Israel. As of October 2023, Israel held 5,200 Palestinian prisoners, including 170 children
Hamas releases 80 Israeli hostages in exchange for the release of 240 prisoners during the weeklong ceasefire.
Sounds like a good plan to me.
Israel also applies systemic rape and torture to the ‘prisoners,’ many are arrested arbitrarily via administrative detention. This includes hundreds of children as well
Israel has also repeatedly stated that returning the hostages are secondary to ‘eliminating Hamas’ aka the full ethnic cleansing of Gaza. On the other hand, Hamas has proposed a full prisoner exchange and peace resolution since Oct 8th, along with agreeing to the UN proposal that passed
applies systemic rape and torture to the ‘prisoners’
Is there a source for that?
Yes
Palestinians denied civil rights (HRW) including Military Court (B’TSelem)
Palestinian Prisoners in Israel (wiki)
Children are jailed and abused in Israeli prisons (Save The Children)
Stripped, beaten and blindfolded: new research reveals ongoing violence and abuse of Palestinian children detained by Israeli military - (Save The Children)
Torture and Abuse in Interrogations (B’TSelem)
Thousands of Palestinians are held without charge under Israeli detention policy (NPR)
Shocking testimony: Torture in Israeli prisons, “sexual assaults even using dogs"
Why raping Palestinians is legitimate Israeli military practice
'Everything is legitimate’: Israeli leaders defend soldiers accused of rape
Extent of systematic torture, atrocities endured by Palestinians in Israeli prisons is shocking
UN Report Details Vast, Systemic Torture of Palestinians in Israeli Detention
“Welcome to Hell” is a report on the abuse and inhuman treatment of Palestinians held in Israeli custody since 7 October 2023. B’Tselem collected testimonies from 55 Palestinians held during that time and released, almost all with no charges. Their testimonies reveal the outcomes of the rushed transformation of more than a dozen Israeli prison facilities, military and civilian, into a network of camps dedicated to the abuse of inmates as a matter of policy. Facilities in which every inmate is deliberately subjected to harsh, relentless pain and suffering operate as de-facto torture camps.
Thanks. So, to me, from the sources you linked, it seems “systemic abuses/torture” is justifiable claim. “Systemic rape” seems like a claim that might be over the line — even as raping prisoners is apparently accepted among certain strata of Israeli society. /f
