GNU Taler begins operating in Switzerland, distributed by the Taler Operations AG. Gnu Taler aims to be a “digital wallet” and has been used by the swiss national bank as well as the european national bank as a example for how a digital currency handed out by the state could work. It aims to be as privacy preserving as cash for the buyer while not allowing the seller to evade taxes.
Currently the Taler is brought out by a special organisation, the “Taler Operations AG”, and not the national bank, although both the national bank as well as the Taler Team have shown interest in a official digial currency by the national bank based on the Taler. But we need to relativate as the national council has stated that the introduction of a digital currency would probably take relatively major legislative changes and therefore take a bit of time.
It must be about ten years that Taler has stood unopposed as a proposed system for digital payments that’s pretty good and might actually happen. It’s not perfect, but it’s better than anything else that exists. It’s been a lot of years of tests, audits, experiments, and demos that occasionally turn up in my news feed — it was beginning to look like vapourware. I guess it’ll be another several years before it gets to my part of the world, but it’s good to see it finally getting started.
Not sure about the anonymity is good or not: why is that necessary? Current bank systems are already anonymous
While is disagree with the harsh tone of u/als@lemmy.blahaj.zone and u/altro_city@fedia.io here, The current banking systems are not anonymous. Anonymity is important to protect our privacy, to prevent us being manipulated and, in the worst case, to protect our security.
Imagine something like the US. A ultra-conservative government gets to power and decides that anyone that has ever bought a Dildo is a threat to children and needs to be put on a watchlist. The GNU Taler prevents that by hiding that you ever bought a Dildo.
The GNU Taler also has the advantage of not being 100% private. While the buyer is, in fact, completely private, the seller is not. This protects the buyer, as noone can see who bought something or prove a specific person bought anything, but still prevents the seller (the one receiving money) from evading taxes, as the government can clearly see that he received money, even if it doesn’t know from whom.
The GNU Taler aims to be a perfect balance of the advantages of cash and digital payments and it manages to do so pretty well in my opinion.
The GNU Taler prevents that by hiding that you ever bought a Dildo.
I mean, not really right? The government can still ask the webshop, that probably took your name and address. Or the PSP that facilitated the transaction, they likely know too. It’s not like Visa/MasterCard/banks are the only parties that know it now, and the others are usually also beholden to laws that let government agencies query things.
obviously, but that’s not something you can fix via the payment method ;P
Absolutely true, but it does place some question marks after the supposed benefit of Taler. Not due to any fault of Taler ofc.
you have to solve problems 1 at a time
Could you explain how the current banking system is anonymous?
Banking secrecy, alternatively known as financial privacy, banking discretion, or bank safety, is a conditional agreement between a bank and its clients that all foregoing activities remain secure, confidential, and private.
That means private, not anonymous. The bank still knows who you are, that you have a bank account (or multiple) there, how much money the bank accounts have, who transferred money to the bank account and who took it out. Bank transfers require knowledge of a name, bank number, bank account number, and sometimes even more information e.g if a transfer above 10k is made it has to be reported to the IRS (same applies in Europe) - if you were anonymous, that wouldn’t be possible.
Also, that wiki page links to more pages about banking privacy in multiple countries. Nowhere does it mention anonymity.
Privacy != anonymity
100% anonymity is usually associated with criminality. Nobody cares about your dildo
Nobody cares about your dildo
Well, you’re wrong about that too
You should probably inform yourself about privacy and anonymity. I don’t have good works describing the difference and their importance, but there is one Why privacy matters by Glenn Greenwald. There are interviews of Snowden which are good as they explore his reasons for revealing the mass surveillance machine that the USA employs. Especially why “if you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear” is a fallacy where he said
Arguing that you don’t care about privacy because you have nothing to hide, is like arguing that you don’t care about free speech because you have nothing to say.
