The 23-year-old was pulled out of the van, placed in handcuffs, and detained for about 25 minutes while the agent searched him. When the agents finally found his ID confirming his citizenship, the agents let him go — without offering any explanation or apology.
A 23-year-old electrician from Brentwood is speaking out after a disturbing encounter with federal immigration agents left him handcuffed and shaken, despite being a U.S. citizen.
Elzon Lemus says he was on the job, driving in a work van with his co-worker in Westbury when they were pulled over by U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) agents. The incident was recorded on Lemus’ phone.
“What’s up, guys? Can I see your ID, please?” an agent asks in the video.
When Lemus questions why they’re being stopped, the agent replies vaguely, “Cause you look like someone I’m looking for. Can I see your ID?”
Lemus continues, “Who are you looking for exactly? Because it’s definitely not me.”
The agent then warns him, “This is going to go one of two ways here. I need to see your ID — if you’re not the guy I’m looking for, you’re not the guy I’m looking for. But we need your ID.”
When Lemus continues to question why he’s being stopped the agent escalates and says “If we don’t get your ID we are going to need to figure out another way to ID you and that may not work out well for you.”
working as designed
Time to exercise the 2nd Ammendment
Since when can ICE make traffic stops?
The Yankee Gestapo have been allowed to do what they want by The Fatboy Tangerine …and by the us population.
Anyone can do anything. There are only consequences after the fact and only if the state agrees there should be.
Laws are just agreements not to do stuff
Since they are Trump’s secret police.
It’s a common theory that many of thr 1/6 rioters are now ICE members. So here is a list of the pardoned fucks. https://www.newsweek.com/full-list-january-6-prisoners-released-2018097
And fuck Jon Schaffer in particular.
ICE has been directly and illegally ordered to violate the fourth amendment and are doing it every day.
Lawsuit time and this one is legit.
And he might get justice in ten years.
Yes, the democracy is crumbling but at least some people will get paid.
Profiting from dictatorship must be the most American thing ever.
What? 🤣
Agreed, this is a clear cut Constitutional violation. Should be worth millions.
When they say that, you say, “Oh, you must be looking for the guy with the big dick. You found me.”
“Papers, please!”
No wait, they are not that polite…
“Papers!”
Wait, they didn’t even lead with asking about his papers?
Damn…
“Submit to the skintone inspection!”
“You look like someone I’m looking for” seems to be a recurring quote from these guys.
Imagine having this in your car on a card and when ICE asks for your ID you pull this out.
They really hit the nail on the head with that cutaway
the last one is almost VANTA BLACK.
“You fit the profile”
Next is Stop and Frisk nationwide followed by “Papers Please”
Based on the latest reports, no way they would be polite enough to say “please”
removes wig
removes prosthetic teeth
removes rubber nose
removes lifts
removes muscle suit
“Do I still look like them?”holds up color chart “Yeah, you’re still a dead ringer.”
I’ve yet to see these guys looking for a middle aged white male or female.
Can’t say it’s something I’d root for but is black/brown face still bad if you use it to waste cops and ice’s time?
Can they legally ask if you aren’t suspected of a crime? Surely, driving to work is not a crime.
Bold of you to assume the law applies to them.
Bold of you to assume the Federal government still follows the law.
They said he looked like a suspect. Cough cough.
That’s not a reasonable suspicion of a crime.
Maybe being the guy that maybe did a crime isn’t good enough.
More to the point, being undocumented isn’t generally a crime- it’s a civil offense. The majority of people are either asylum seekers or people who’ve overstayed visas, rather than entering illegally.
Entering illegally is a misdemeanor, but over staying is not.
Yes, if you are driving you’re required by law in New York state to provide your driver’s license if asked.
If you’re walking to work you don’t have to carry ID, and you only have to identify yourself if they have a reasonable suspicion that you’re committing a crime.
Edit: Holy shit y’all are insane. I knew Lemmy was an echo chamber but mass downvoting simple, factual information like this really makes me think less of you.
Edit: Holy shit y’all are insane. I knew Lemmy was an echo chamber but mass downvoting simple, factual information like this really makes me think less of you.
Yeah, they don’t really care about facts, logic, or reason. They also don’t see how that makes them like the people they hate.
Yes, if you are driving you’re required by law in New York state to provide your driver’s license if asked.
During a legal traffic stop, yes. They need a reason to pull you over, and that reason can’t be “I want to see your ID.” They must have reasonable suspicion that someone in the vehicle is an illegal immigrant. And that needs to be more substantial than “you look like you might be illegal.” Like they need very specific information that a specific person is in that specific vehicle.
The problem is the justice department has been gutted of anyone that might hold them accountable.
All of what you said, but also, can ICE conduct traffic stops? Like only state and local police can enforce traffic laws in their own states and jurisdictions right? Maybe if it’s an interstate highway… but I would think they need a reason to pull you over and actually be able to show that they planned to enforce some traffic infraction. I doubt ICE writes speeding tickets, so I think they are breaking some law here.
They can’t enforce traffic laws, no. So they need some reasonable suspicion that falls under their jurisdiction, which is why I mentioned that they need evidence that an illegal immigrant is in the vehicle. Actual reasonable suspicion, not just a hunch. Just like a traffic cop can’t legally pull you over unless they actually witness you breaking a traffic law.
so I think they are breaking some law here.
They are breaking several laws and violating constitutional rights all over the place. But again. Unless somebody in authority holds them accountable it isn’t going to matter.
ICE can conduct traffic stops within 100 miles of the boarder. Entire USA coastline is considered a boarder.
And within a hundred miles of an international airport. So basically everywhere. The 4th amendment died during W. Bush’s administration. I’ve been screaming about it since then and everyone called me a conspiracy theorist.
Short answer, yes they can.
Long answer, it’s really going to depend on the state and the laws there.
That said, common etiquette would be not to unless, as someone else pointed out, they had a very specific reason to suspect an illegal immigrant is in the vehicle. Usually, LEOs stick to their specific jurisdiction’s unless they are asked to assist in another.
Typical federal agencies would notify and work with law enforcement, but sanctuary states have directed state and local law enforcement not to.
They are breaking the law and violating a US citizens constitutional rights, that’s where America is right now.
trump is looking for anyone to deport, hes trying to surpass obama dn bidens numbers.
No reasonable, articulable suspicion of crime? No ID.
You are required to show your driver’s license if you’re asked for it by law enforcement while driving in New York state.
Edit: Holy shit y’all are insane. I knew Lemmy was an echo chamber but mass downvoting simple, factual information like this really makes me think less of you.
Law enforcement is not permitted to randomly pull over vehicles. They provided no justification. This is clearly illegal.
Cops can always find a reason to pull you over. Also, they have no obligation to tell you why they did so. 1 mph over the speed limit? Valid traffic stop. You slowly drifted from the right side of the lane to the left side? Valid traffic stop in the eyes of the law.
Is it bullshit? Yes. Illegal? No.
Is the driver in the OP still required to provide his license when pulled over?
Yes.
Random would actually be more ethical! They obviously saw a person that was not lilly-white, and pulled him over. That’s literally policy guided by racism!
“You look like someone we’re looking for” will get them pretty far in the courts. They don’t have to tell you who that person is, but by the time you sue and you’re going through the court process, they’ll find someone on their list who looks like you so that they can say “oh yeah it was this guy we were looking for, we promise” and the case gets dismissed.
The US really does seem less “free” than most western countries honestly.
I can’t even remember ever being asked for my ID by police inside the EU
Yeah.
I can’t remember exactly how it goes here in Australia, but I haven’t carried my ID with me (we don’t have electronic ID yet) for 5 years or so and have never encountered any problems.
I think, if they’re going to fine you (like for speeding or whatever) then you have to identify yourself but not necessarily by providing a physical ID. I think you just give them your name and DoB and they look it up, and match it to your car.
The only other time I can recall being stopped is for a breath / alcohol test. You don’t need any ID if you’re not over the limit.
I don’t recall any other interaction with the police of any kind really.
Say it a third time , maybe you’ll get a different answer
Quotas for DEI initiatives bad: no merit for chosen employees
Quotas for ICE good: no merit for those arrested in order to meet quota…
I know I know, you don’t logic a Magoo. There is none to be had…
The scary part is that there absolutely is logic to it. They’re still just slightly short of being willing to say that part out loud.
“Papers, please” - just like Soviet Russia and the other Soviet-bloc countries.
Glory to Arstotzka!
For the love of God, SUE!!!
Good luck. The government has pretty consistently ruled that the government is immune from liability in situations like this.
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So spend money to do what exactly?
SUE
