I have no confidence that Tesla will fix this before the planned Robo-Taxi rollout in Austin in 2 weeks.

After all, they haven’t fixed it in the last 9 years that self-driving Teslas have been on the road.

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    Texas releasing these things in public is horrifying. Tesla is last in this field, and refuses to add LIDAR, which is obviously what is needed.

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    This one is pretty unforgivable. Supposedly the ability to detect these situations was added in December (according to the article) but it’s clearly not working very well. Something like this should 100% pause the rollout of robo-taxis.

    For normal cars though, the drivers should press the brakes to disable FSD when they see their car not slowing down when approaching a stopped bus like this.

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      Except the big danger with fully self driving cars is that drivers are not paying attention at all as they have nothing to do most of the time. They’ll be on their phones regardless of what theyre supposed to do and that will cause deaths. So such a glaring safety flaw will have numerous opportunities to happen in real life - humans do not make good safety features in cars; thats what the self drive stuff was for.

      Teslas self drive technology is not fit for the roads regardless of this. Musk had sensors stripped out pf the cars design to save money because apparently he knows better than all the worlds self drive engineers. The guy is a just an investment bro woth a huge ego - he can’t let the people hes investing in get onwith it, because he sees himself as a “genius”. The guys a moron.

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        Linus tech tips recently reviewed a car with semi auto self driving. It can keep you in the lane and at the right speed. He said it’s perfect for school zones because he knows he doesn’t have to watch the Speedo and give that extra attention to watching for kids walking out. I have to agree with him, there is a school on my commute and the speed drops to 20mph. I let the car do that bit while I worry about little (or sometimes big) feet.

        Would I trust that system to spot a child before I do? Not a chance.

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          That’s why I use the speed limiter in residential areas. I can’t drive faster so I don’t have to check the speed. But when I take my foot of the pedal, the car slows down.

          Outside residential area and on highway I use the adaptive cruise control.

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        They’ll be on their phones regardless of what theyre supposed to do and that will cause deaths.

        So no different to in non self-driving cars then.

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      Yeah the draconian punishment and outcry when someone dares to overtake a school bus is absolutely laughable.

      Give that child chance to be shot the next day in school! Or starve to death, because they can’t afford school lunches.

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        They don’t actually care about the unborn either. They just want women to suffer, that’s always been the only goal.

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      If we did the Carolina Lean is a bigger threat than Elon, but somehow that’s legal in most states.

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    Tesla self driving is already responsible for the deaths of multiple people.

    They weren’t held accountable for those.

    Nothing will meaningfully improve until the rich fear for their lives

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      If regular school shootings were no reason to actually do something, why would regular deadly accidents with self driving systems be one? I’m always amazed by what Americans are willing to tolerate.

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    If their “AI” wind shield wipers could identify…rain?..I’d be more hopeful about identifying a child.

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      Fight Club taught me the cost of human life to corporations.

      If PredictedLawsuitLosses < CostOfRecall then RecallNotAnnounced

      Human life doesn’t factor in at all for them.

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        Human life absolutely factors into predicted lawsuit losses. Wrongful death lawsuits are expensive.

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          What I meant is they don’t care about people as people.

          It’s just a number to them.

          If they can profit of millions dying and they know they could get away with it, they would.

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    I guess there’s going to be a lot of heroes popping Robo-Taxi tires. To protect their community and all that.

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      I recall that people blocked Waymo cars at one point by simply placing orange cones in front of them. Given Teslas only use cameras I wonder if you could just slap a sticker of an orange cone (or just a splash of orange paint) on the hood and confuse it enough that it wouldn’t move…

      Edit: Or, if you really want to be a dick, get some black stickers (the stronger the glue the better) and surreptitiously put them over one or more cameras.

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        Given Teslas only use cameras

        This still blows my mind. My fucking robot vacuum uses LiDAR, and multi-ton vehicles on public roads use cameras? Jesus Christ.

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          “Well you see lidar cameras are expensive. Yeah… that’s the excuse. No more questions” - Tesla whenever they are asked to explain themselves

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            Actually the excuse Musk uses is that humans only use their eyes to drive, so that’s enough for cars as well.

            Wrong on so many levels…

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              Right… except for hearing horns, sirens or brakes screeching. Feeling a bump in the road and using the tactile feedback to determine if you should swerve or stop.

              Elon Musk has been chaffeured the vast majority of his life and it shows.

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                In my country when you do a driving test one of the things you have to do is pass a hazard perception test. Everyone hates it because it consists of watching a video and clicking on the hazards when you notice them.

                The problem is it’s almost impossible because the Field of view is probably only about 90°, you can’t turn your head because you’re locked to the forward-facing camera position, and you lack all the other information.

                There are practise tests online, it’s interesting to take them because it really does show you how dependent you are on things other than just direct vision.

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                The “humans drive cars with just optical input” has become a weirdly tightly held misconception for Elon Musk, it’s a core part of his personality where autonomy is concerned:

                https://finance.yahoo.com/news/elon-musk-says-tesla-doesnt-023035552.html

                Humans drive with optical input, haptic feedback, and millenia of evolution to handle the decision-making and social skills required to handle a vehicle safely. No LiDAR or radar waves, sure, but I wouldn’t say no if either were on offer!

                The dumbest part? He developed this belief in ~2019. Lidar costs have dropped immensely since then, and are fast-dropping still. Any technologist who doesn’t fucking suck knows that component prices follow that depreciation curve. So he’s basically an old man shouting at a cloud at this point, it would be cheaper to fix the mistake, but it could hurt his personal branding as a guru.

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    Elon is not going to personally take responsibility for his cars?